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A NERD1989 · Sep 18, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30

ok will there be new profesions like warriors or rangers? in a future update
will they increase the level cap?
will theymake it so you can have more then 4 characters? coz i have 4 different eles and i want more chars

Kamatsu · Sep 18, 2005, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I'm assuming your talking about the pay expansion comming 2006.

1. no idea
2. no, they have said the level cap will never get raised
3. no idea, they haven't said anything about this.

Swarnt Brightstar · Sep 18, 2005, 11:40 AM // 11:40

1. probably
2.Kamatsu you're joking right! *huffs* I'm going back to my .hack...
3.Probably

A NERD1989 · Sep 18, 2005, 11:47 AM // 11:47

no level cap increase well that f*&*ing stupid. that is the dumbest thing ever. so what they just gonna keep extending the game and we play half the game once we are level 20 seems pointless

Numa Pompilius · Sep 18, 2005, 11:57 AM // 11:57

<shakes head>
You guys play to level?

Me, I play to win, preferrably through skill.

If you guys want eternal levelling treadmills & to beat newbies who're a lower level than you and therefore completely chanceless regardless of how good they are... Well, I hear World of Warcraft is good.

Photeus · Sep 18, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

Why is it pointful to be over level 20? What good does it do you? You've gained all 200 attribute points (with the two 15 point quests). You get extra skill points so I guess that's alright (you already do now without gaining levels). I guess it'd give you extra health. But if you gained that, then the downfalls of the runes would have to be raised to compensate.

Being level 20 it still makes these areas in the game worth playing:

Crystal Desert - Southern Shiverpeaks - Sorrow's Furnace - Fire Islands - Fissure of Woe - Underworld.

Being level 30, for example, makes these areas in the game worth playing:

Fissure of Woe - Underworld (and the level of the monsters isn't level 30 mostly, I do believe) Besides, it'd make these areas of the game even easier.

Honestly, I prefer more diverse skills, possibly additional classes, and expanded storyline. Also, I can't wait till they spec out the critters with more than one class and more than 4 skills. That will make things more challenging.
I personally would rather have reasonable to high challenge in 6 areas then low challenge in two.

If we stay at level 20, then it offers the developers to do more interesting things with the creatures to make them stronger, besides just taking on more levels. The game would get infinitely more interesting if creatures set up durable ambushes, used tactics similar to PvP tactics, used traps (like the big crushers in SF) and terrain to their advantage, instead of just getting bigger and hardier.

Also, you can't deny how great it would be to help a new-to-the-game playing friend get from the beginning of the Crystal Desert to the expansion areas of the game without having to worry about his or your own level, since if you're both at level 20, you can push through as slowly or quickly as possible without having to 'grind' or 'farm' if you didn't want.

A NERD1989 · Sep 18, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

i know but still level 20 is still abit low i think coz you can get it in like 8 hours

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 18, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33

That's why we don't use level as an indicator for aptitude.
In some other game someone can tell you how "strong" their character is by just saying "I'm a level 150!" - which is only achieved through grind.
But in GW you can't get away with advertising your grind. You have to prove yourself no matter what. Being lvl 20 only means you put in the time to ascend your character to the level of competency - after that it's all about creativity and skill - as it should be.

Artemis89 · Sep 18, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

I think Arenanet should include new races, although not gay ones like gnomes, because I hate seeing a gnome/dwarf with the best armor in the game and they do like 5,000 damge, that's WoW. So what races should they include? I believe they should add Charr, I mean come on, who wouldn't want to be a charr? You have the Shaman, the Chaot, the Warrior, it fits perfectly! They should have like different stories for them too, as you, if you were a charr, you take over Ascalon then the story kicks from there. You could also probably add Shining Blade and the White Mantle too probably, that would be sweet.

Shazam · Sep 18, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11

that is kinda wierd though if you get to lvl 20 but you still keep fighting and killing stuff you dont gain anything...it is like you are the enlightened one and you can learn nothing more...so in my opinon i am not a fan of the 20 lvl cap

Nyax Soulreaper · Sep 18, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

yeah lvl 20 cap sucks, if only it took longer to get there, with more benefits between levels and after lvl20 would be fine.

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 18, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xue Yi Liang

That's why we don't use level as an indicator for aptitude.
In some other game someone can tell you how "strong" their character is by just saying "I'm a level 150!" - which is only achieved through grind.
But in GW you can't get away with advertising your grind. You have to prove yourself no matter what. Being lvl 20 only means you put in the time to ascend your character to the level of competency - after that it's all about creativity and skill - as it should be.

Amen to that...

Alias_X · Sep 18, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Do you rank life? Come on, 20 is fine. Also isn't this sorta belonging to the suggestions

vancha · Sep 18, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

1)In the coming expansion they said something about being dwarfes O_o!!!
2)Its true they said that they wouldnt increase the lvl capacity but who knows....a gr8 PR stunt from them if they do...
3)The point is that u have to buy the game one more time to have more chars...(the registration kode) but i think there are gonna be upgrades that are gonna increase the number of chars(apart from WoW where u have 2 pay per month where do they get the money from???).These upgrades are probably gonna cost some money...

melbo · Sep 18, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

From what I've gathered, the level cap won't change, and there will be additional character slots in paid expansions (no clue how many, but I remember reading an article off the official site that said something along the lines of "we realize 4 slots is quite low for playing all the characters/combos".

Kamatsu · Sep 18, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Vancha - more like a huge PR failure if they do raise the level cap. The level is capped at level 20 so there is no pointless level grinding as well as to keep an "equal" playing field for everyone. Since it's so easy to get to level 20.. level's are irrelevant in the game and all that counts is the skills on your skill bar and your skill in using them.

They have also stated that they want to ensure that players who don't buy an expansion won't be left behind - which is exactly what a level cap rise for expansion players would do, it would take away the level field and force players to buy the expansion if they want to compete/keep-up. Which is not what ANet want.

Go read Xue Yi Liang's post. They said it better than I could

And it doesn't take long to get there because taking longer to get there = increased gring & you then start having the "elite" bozo's going around with their "I'm level 20!" garbage

Forget the damn level - all you get is more health from level's anyways.. and up to 200 attribute points.. and skill points. What matters is how you play.. not the fact that your level 2 or 20

A NERD1989 · Sep 18, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

when i was talking about adding more races i justr ment like they could add a
paladin
warlock
rogue
stuff like that but not all from wow

Neutral Tyrant · Sep 19, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Hmm I'm really looking for the ability to get married

Dahl · Sep 19, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

I don't know how they will have a full expansion without raising the level cap... cause I mean.. the monster levels will continue to rise, it'll get to the point of where the game will actually be impossible to beat - literally. Maybe they will have an Attribute npc that lets you buy attribute points with skill points or with experience or something? ... I don't know. Anet will think of something, cause they made this game exceedingly balanced... I just can't come up with an explanation.

BUT, for all of you who don't find a point to the level 20 cap, you aren't quite understanding... this game wasn't built for training, and it wasn't specifically built for pve. This is a PvP game, that had a pve section added. This is a game of tournaments, not of beast-slaying. Think of a counterstrike rpg. That's how I see it.

melbo · Sep 19, 2005, 12:54 AM // 00:54

the monster levels will continue to rise, it'll get to the point of where the game will actually be impossible to beat - literally.

They don't need to necessarily raise the levels, look at the Sorrow's Furnace update...they can just have different monsters, with different skill sets & tactics. I don't really see much of a reason at all for them to raise their levels if they can just alter their playstyle instead.

Sep 18, 2005, 11:30 AM // 11:30	#1
A NERD1989 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Elite Black Ops Profession: W/Mo	new races? and some more questions ok will there be new profesions like warriors or rangers? in a future update will they increase the level cap? will theymake it so you can have more then 4 characters? coz i have 4 different eles and i want more chars

Sep 19, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49	#19
Dahl Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]	I don't know how they will have a full expansion without raising the level cap... cause I mean.. the monster levels will continue to rise, it'll get to the point of where the game will actually be impossible to beat - literally. Maybe they will have an Attribute npc that lets you buy attribute points with skill points or with experience or something? ... I don't know. Anet will think of something, cause they made this game exceedingly balanced... I just can't come up with an explanation. BUT, for all of you who don't find a point to the level 20 cap, you aren't quite understanding... this game wasn't built for training, and it wasn't specifically built for pve. This is a PvP game, that had a pve section added. This is a game of tournaments, not of beast-slaying. Think of a counterstrike rpg. That's how I see it. Last edited by Dahl; Sep 19, 2005 at 12:56 AM // 00:56..

Sep 18, 2005, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#2
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	I'm assuming your talking about the pay expansion comming 2006. 1. no idea 2. no, they have said the level cap will never get raised 3. no idea, they haven't said anything about this.

Sep 18, 2005, 11:40 AM // 11:40	#3
Swarnt Brightstar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mongolia!... But sadly Florida Guild: Rulers of Mythology <ROM> Profession: R/Mo	1. probably 2.Kamatsu you're joking right! huffs I'm going back to my .hack... 3.Probably

Sep 18, 2005, 11:47 AM // 11:47	#4
A NERD1989 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Elite Black Ops Profession: W/Mo	no level cap increase well that f&ing stupid. that is the dumbest thing ever. so what they just gonna keep extending the game and we play half the game once we are level 20 seems pointless

Sep 18, 2005, 11:57 AM // 11:57	#5
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	<shakes head> You guys play to level? Me, I play to win, preferrably through skill. If you guys want eternal levelling treadmills & to beat newbies who're a lower level than you and therefore completely chanceless regardless of how good they are... Well, I hear World of Warcraft is good.

Sep 18, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59	#6
Photeus Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Akkadians (AkX) Profession: E/Me	Why is it pointful to be over level 20? What good does it do you? You've gained all 200 attribute points (with the two 15 point quests). You get extra skill points so I guess that's alright (you already do now without gaining levels). I guess it'd give you extra health. But if you gained that, then the downfalls of the runes would have to be raised to compensate. Being level 20 it still makes these areas in the game worth playing: Crystal Desert - Southern Shiverpeaks - Sorrow's Furnace - Fire Islands - Fissure of Woe - Underworld. Being level 30, for example, makes these areas in the game worth playing: Fissure of Woe - Underworld (and the level of the monsters isn't level 30 mostly, I do believe) Besides, it'd make these areas of the game even easier. Honestly, I prefer more diverse skills, possibly additional classes, and expanded storyline. Also, I can't wait till they spec out the critters with more than one class and more than 4 skills. That will make things more challenging. I personally would rather have reasonable to high challenge in 6 areas then low challenge in two. If we stay at level 20, then it offers the developers to do more interesting things with the creatures to make them stronger, besides just taking on more levels. The game would get infinitely more interesting if creatures set up durable ambushes, used tactics similar to PvP tactics, used traps (like the big crushers in SF) and terrain to their advantage, instead of just getting bigger and hardier. Also, you can't deny how great it would be to help a new-to-the-game playing friend get from the beginning of the Crystal Desert to the expansion areas of the game without having to worry about his or your own level, since if you're both at level 20, you can push through as slowly or quickly as possible without having to 'grind' or 'farm' if you didn't want.

Sep 18, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00	#7
A NERD1989 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Elite Black Ops Profession: W/Mo	i know but still level 20 is still abit low i think coz you can get it in like 8 hours

Sep 18, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33	#8
Xue Yi Liang Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern CA Guild: Outlaws of the Water Margin Profession: Mo/Me	That's why we don't use level as an indicator for aptitude. In some other game someone can tell you how "strong" their character is by just saying "I'm a level 150!" - which is only achieved through grind. But in GW you can't get away with advertising your grind. You have to prove yourself no matter what. Being lvl 20 only means you put in the time to ascend your character to the level of competency - after that it's all about creativity and skill - as it should be.

Sep 18, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52	#9
Artemis89 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005	I think Arenanet should include new races, although not gay ones like gnomes, because I hate seeing a gnome/dwarf with the best armor in the game and they do like 5,000 damge, that's WoW. So what races should they include? I believe they should add Charr, I mean come on, who wouldn't want to be a charr? You have the Shaman, the Chaot, the Warrior, it fits perfectly! They should have like different stories for them too, as you, if you were a charr, you take over Ascalon then the story kicks from there. You could also probably add Shining Blade and the White Mantle too probably, that would be sweet.

Sep 18, 2005, 02:11 PM // 14:11	#10
Shazam Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005	that is kinda wierd though if you get to lvl 20 but you still keep fighting and killing stuff you dont gain anything...it is like you are the enlightened one and you can learn nothing more...so in my opinon i am not a fan of the 20 lvl cap

Sep 18, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30	#11
Nyax Soulreaper Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: X Death Dragons X Profession: N/E	yeah lvl 20 cap sucks, if only it took longer to get there, with more benefits between levels and after lvl20 would be fine.

Sep 18, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#13
Alias_X Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005	Do you rank life? Come on, 20 is fine. Also isn't this sorta belonging to the suggestions

Sep 18, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18	#14
vancha Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: W/	1)In the coming expansion they said something about being dwarfes O_o!!! 2)Its true they said that they wouldnt increase the lvl capacity but who knows....a gr8 PR stunt from them if they do... 3)The point is that u have to buy the game one more time to have more chars...(the registration kode) but i think there are gonna be upgrades that are gonna increase the number of chars(apart from WoW where u have 2 pay per month where do they get the money from???).These upgrades are probably gonna cost some money...

Sep 18, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08	#15
melbo Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York Profession: E/Mo	From what I've gathered, the level cap won't change, and there will be additional character slots in paid expansions (no clue how many, but I remember reading an article off the official site that said something along the lines of "we realize 4 slots is quite low for playing all the characters/combos".

Sep 18, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57	#16
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	Vancha - more like a huge PR failure if they do raise the level cap. The level is capped at level 20 so there is no pointless level grinding as well as to keep an "equal" playing field for everyone. Since it's so easy to get to level 20.. level's are irrelevant in the game and all that counts is the skills on your skill bar and your skill in using them. They have also stated that they want to ensure that players who don't buy an expansion won't be left behind - which is exactly what a level cap rise for expansion players would do, it would take away the level field and force players to buy the expansion if they want to compete/keep-up. Which is not what ANet want. Go read Xue Yi Liang's post. They said it better than I could And it doesn't take long to get there because taking longer to get there = increased gring & you then start having the "elite" bozo's going around with their "I'm level 20!" garbage Forget the damn level - all you get is more health from level's anyways.. and up to 200 attribute points.. and skill points. What matters is how you play.. not the fact that your level 2 or 20

Sep 18, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39	#17
A NERD1989 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Elite Black Ops Profession: W/Mo	when i was talking about adding more races i justr ment like they could add a paladin warlock rogue stuff like that but not all from wow

Sep 19, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#18
Neutral Tyrant Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Profession: E/Mo	Hmm I'm really looking for the ability to get married

Sep 19, 2005, 12:54 AM // 00:54	#20
melbo Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York Profession: E/Mo	the monster levels will continue to rise, it'll get to the point of where the game will actually be impossible to beat - literally. They don't need to necessarily raise the levels, look at the Sorrow's Furnace update...they can just have different monsters, with different skill sets & tactics. I don't really see much of a reason at all for them to raise their levels if they can just alter their playstyle instead.